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One reason I tend to call myself a "non theist" as opposed to an "atheist" is that the latter term has been commandeered by overzealous proselytizers. I also have an intense interest in different religions and mythologies along with the states of mind that people associate with spiritual experiences (too often conflated with "the religious").

The Abrahamic "monotheistic" religions are largely "scripture based." This is true of their offshoots which include liberalism with its belief in "the rule of law not men" and socialism with its various attempts to extend the democratic rule of law into economic domains largely protected from popular interference by liberalism. I don't want to proselytize here for either liberalism or socialism, partly because there are as many strange and objectionable variations of those as there are of Judaism, Islam, or Christianity.

Many of those variations (of liberalism, socialism, Judaism, Islam, or Christianity) are indeed (to me) worse than lamentable. I find a few of them so fearsomely objectionable that it's a challenge not to succumb to mockery, derision, contempt, blasphemy and vitriolic anathema. But there's also an unfortunate tendency for those who have not carefully studied The US Constitution, Marx (or other socialist luminaries), the Tanakh. The Quran, or the Gospels to give those texts the "I Ching" treatment though, of course, they are not picking out verses at random but rather cherry picking quotes (or "mind bytes") for some polemical or provocative purpose that is usually not very well thought out.

Whether or not there was ever a historical Jesus born of woman (bracketing whether the guy ever walked on water or was escorted out his tomb by angelic messengers) there is (with no doubt) a Jesus "Christ" of the Gospels. Over the millennia careful scholars of the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh) and the New Testament have developed guidelines for making interpretations that are not overly hasty, blasphemous, hurtful, dangerous, stupid, or (in times past) criminal.

Among these are:

* Where does this text belong in the literary context of the entire scripture?

* How is this text related to prior texts and/or later texts in the scriptures?

* How does its location in the greater canon of scriptures affect the meaning of this text?

In other words the significance of your particular quote from Matthew 10 needs to be grappled with in its immediate context as well as in the broader context of descriptions of Jesus's speech and conduct in the New Testament as well as in the Old Testament as reorganized by Christian clerics (The Old Testament and the Tanakh) are very similar with one of the major differences being how Christians re-ordered the books of the Hebrew Bible to accentuate their belief that those older scriptures were foretelling the Incarnation.)

Matthew 10 is about Jesus sending his apostles out into the world with warnings and instructions. In some Gospels he tells them to not even bring a staff (which always doubled as a weapon). In a different story he tells a defender to put aside his sword.

Here is the immediate context:

"And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

"Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father. But even the hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not, therefore; you are of more value than many sparrows.

"So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.

34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

35 "For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

36 "And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

"And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it."

There's revolution, and then there's VIOLENT revolution. Which of those (if either) will a SERIOUS reader find above????

If thou art at this moment feeling a bit queasy or anxious, I say unto thee on this Xmas Eve to fear not be of good cheer for I will put in'th for thou a good word with JC (Himself) and He shalt surely forgive'vth thee (after some due moderate roasting time in Purgatory)

The work of J. D. Crossan is an excellent and accessible source for describing how a historical Jesus could have been a nonviolent revolutionary in a very Jewish tradition which (of course) was only one of the many forms and traditions that emerged in resistance to Hellenic and then Roman rule and interference in their sacrificial rites.

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Nevermore, "Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws!" Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812). I thank him for his honesty.

RE: JEWISH FAIRY TALES OF VICTIMHOOD

The ability of all humanity's worldwide 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors for many 10s of 1000s of years to collaborate, innovate & create with each other in harmony with nature, stems from indigenous sovereign vibrant sentient-awareness & economic recognition of our selves & each other for what is the interdisciplinary CIRCLE-of-LIFE. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life

BLACK ACADEMICS ON JEWISH CAPITALISM & WEALTH BASED IN SLAVERY OVER 6 MILLENNIA SINCE KEY ROLE IN PHOENICIAN COLONIAL CONQUEST. 13 Sugar Jewish Plantation Colonies, Sephardic, Ashkenazi Jews as core of Slave Trade Christopher Columbus (Hebrew journals) as Morano Portuguese Jew starts Slave Trade, in 1498 5 ship expedition brought 600 Indians to Spain as slaves, previously as slave trader, Gold dealer in Africa Ghana, Gold Coast, Queen Isabella’s 3 Court Jewish Financiers Luis de Santangel, Abraham Zacuto, Don Isaac Abravanel. Curacao, Surinam Jodensavanne Zionist (Jew village Sugar Trade) Jan Pieterszoon Coen Chief Shareholder of the Dutch East & West Indian Companies centered in Netherlands, Oliver Cromwell & Menasseh Ben Israel Financier /c Dr Leonard Jeffries (NY City College) 100 million African Slaves stolen, Dr Tony Martin, Dr Aviva Ben-Ur, Stanley Mirviz, Cary Silverstein, Minister Louis Farrakhan (Jews Selling Blacks), Khallid Muhammad, Nation of Islam, Truth Terrorist 600 million Blacks slaved over 6000 years compared /c supposed 6 million Jews over 10 years, Reparations, Lehman Brothers, 75% of Jews were Slave Owners & prominent in Slave Trade Rothschild (Mississippi Cotton Trade to English mills) Secret Relationship between Blacks & jews Vol 1&2 by Rabbi Jacob Levin published by Nation of Islam, Rabbi Historian Dr Bertram W. Korn (75% of Slave Owners were Jews), Dr Abraham J. Peck, John Henrik Clarke, Jewish Academic Mafia, Dr. Harold Brackman 1600’s Slave Trading was Jewish Mercantile specialty, History of the Jews by Soloman Grayzel Principal Slave Traders in Europe, Middle-Ages, Dr Leonard E Barrett Sr Temple Univ. on Jews & Slavery, Brazil 19Nov’21 2h56m47s https://youtu.be/S3mr0rsNyGs

There are a tremendous number of fake 'money' (Greek 'mnemosis' = 'memory') Oligarch written empire amnesic, not true story books, written on the back of brutal invasion, pillaging, exploitation, genocide, beginning with that Torah Book of Colonial Propaganda then Talmud, then New Testament & Koran of the past 7000 years since Babylon-Mesopotamian Empire (5000 BC). Jews (some of my family in 3 branches). Jews as an accounting & ruling-class, flee from the oppression & deserts, they have been a leading part of creating. Jews & other Arabs (Shem aka 'Semite') violently invade Philistine, Canaan, Amalek homes because of this strategic 'location' at the LAND-BRIDGE between the mega-continents of Eurasia (Japheth) & Africa (Ham) for control of trade, people & resource flow. Jews & other Arabs found the PHOENICIAN EMPIRE (4000 - 0 BC) Kingdom-of-Israel + City-states of Tyr, Sidon, Byblos & Beirut) through sea pirating, pillaging, genocide & colonization of the indigenous peoples of the Mediterranean & Black Seas. With massive fake wealth from the longest period of Empire pillaging, Israel has turned to desert, so its fake money Oligarch rulers (0 BC - 2024 AD) transfer their centre of money minting operations to Egypt, Carthage (source of Hannibal Doctrine), Greece, Rome, Spain, France, Belgium, Netherlands, Britain, USA & Canada EMPIRES each involved in perpetual war & destroying essential life-supporting biospheres. Reading historical records from each of these same Oligarch controlled empires will find texts describing Jewish Financial Suzerainty. Once each people & biosphere are destroyed, then the same lineage of Oligarchy pack up their metal-coin-money minting typically to set up shop again westwardly.

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