Also, is it really only "Republicans" that are supportive of militant Israel? Surely Evangelical preachers are playing their part (prodded on from behind the scenes?) but it seems to me that things stay the same no matter which party is in office. Maybe its the fourth branch of the government that is really calling the shots.
Here's a documentary from a traditional Christian perspective that explains the pitfalls of Christian Zionism and it's origins of being something pushed on Christians via Rothschild funded propaganda including the 1909 Scofield bible.
I haven't finished watching it yet, but it looks pretty good and would be important for the rest of us to understand if we wish to be effective in dialogue with people who hold the tenets of Christian Zionism but would probably not call themselves by that name
Yes -- except the problem is organized religion, not a spiritual connection to all life forms and the planet itself...which is how we humans existed for hundreds of thousands of years...it used to be called animism...now, instead of all of nature being alive in the same way as us humans, we have had the misfortune to be born into a capitalist culture which values only what it can rip off for profit...and that also has resulted in us committing atrocities to each other, whether in the name of organized religion or the bottom line
Indeed, it could be argued to boot that it is not fundamentalists who have pushed Jews and Arabs into conflict but instead it is Sabatean Jews (capitalistic antimoral murderers) who have pushed fundamentalists into radicalism to accomplish their nefarious agenda. But this is a long story.
My mother is a fundamentalist Christian who expresses support of Jewish possession of Israel, but this brand of Christian fundamentalism did not exist 100 years ago when the conflict was initiated by the Rothschild-originated Balfour declaration. The Rothschilds are allegedly Jews, but that does not mean they care about Jews, muchless Muslims, and much less literal adherance to Jewish values and scriptures. The reasons for the Balfour declaration were not religious, they were capitalistic and geo-political.
It's much more complex than a monolithic interpretation of religiosity.
I'd like to know about the Sabbatean-Frankist dimensions of this... Could you point me to any handy resources please?
I started reading TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE by a rabbi named Marvin Antelman but I honestly found it paranoid and unconvincing. I'd like a more "just-the-facts" source if I can get one.
If you look at my other comments you will find links. One of them is absolutely about Sabbatean-Frankism. It seems factual and thorough. It helped me a lot to fill in the blanks.
Another thing the article overlooks is the fact that the original Zionists who began immigrating to Palestine before, during and after WWII, killing and terrorizing Arab Palestinians and sowing discord among Arabs, Jews, Christians and lesser known sects who lived peacefully together, were what were called "secular Jews", mainly from Germany (though they may have been indoctrinated in Sabbateanism before or upon arrival).
Religious Jews were generally opposed to Zionism; particularly Orthodox Jews were I believe adamantly opposed. It was only later that radical religious Zionism arose, exacerbating the bad situation that had been begun by secular political Zionism.
If you really want to know how it all came about and think you can handle some really dark stuff, check out the following video. I think it's essential to understand if we are ever going to face this beast down.
Yes, I've already begun, but I've just begun and it may take me a while. In the meantime you may be interested in the preface to my article on Cecil Rhodes. It's related. You are welcome to publish that on Nevermore.
I think this piece misses a number of things, not least the development of fundamentalism AS A REACTION TO MATERIALISM that has led to the extreme clashes in the middle east and Christian fundamentalism in the West.
I recommend this book:
The Battle for God
By Karen Armstrong
An examination of the militant and vociferous voices of fundamentalists in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam from a period covering 1492 - 1999.
"Armstrong sees fundamentalist groups as complex, innovative, and modern — rather than as throwbacks to the past — but contends that they have failed in religious terms. Maintaining that fundamentalism often exists in symbiotic relationship with an aggressive modernity, each impelling the other on to greater excess, she suggests compassion as a way to defuse what is now an intensifying conflict."
Also, is it really only "Republicans" that are supportive of militant Israel? Surely Evangelical preachers are playing their part (prodded on from behind the scenes?) but it seems to me that things stay the same no matter which party is in office. Maybe its the fourth branch of the government that is really calling the shots.
Christian Zionism is something else.
We must pave the way for the coming of the Antichrist in the name of Christ!
The Devil's outdone himself with that one.
Here's a documentary from a traditional Christian perspective that explains the pitfalls of Christian Zionism and it's origins of being something pushed on Christians via Rothschild funded propaganda including the 1909 Scofield bible.
I haven't finished watching it yet, but it looks pretty good and would be important for the rest of us to understand if we wish to be effective in dialogue with people who hold the tenets of Christian Zionism but would probably not call themselves by that name
https://www.bitchute.com/video/KIOSj5rfHCcP/
Yes -- except the problem is organized religion, not a spiritual connection to all life forms and the planet itself...which is how we humans existed for hundreds of thousands of years...it used to be called animism...now, instead of all of nature being alive in the same way as us humans, we have had the misfortune to be born into a capitalist culture which values only what it can rip off for profit...and that also has resulted in us committing atrocities to each other, whether in the name of organized religion or the bottom line
Indeed, it could be argued to boot that it is not fundamentalists who have pushed Jews and Arabs into conflict but instead it is Sabatean Jews (capitalistic antimoral murderers) who have pushed fundamentalists into radicalism to accomplish their nefarious agenda. But this is a long story.
My mother is a fundamentalist Christian who expresses support of Jewish possession of Israel, but this brand of Christian fundamentalism did not exist 100 years ago when the conflict was initiated by the Rothschild-originated Balfour declaration. The Rothschilds are allegedly Jews, but that does not mean they care about Jews, muchless Muslims, and much less literal adherance to Jewish values and scriptures. The reasons for the Balfour declaration were not religious, they were capitalistic and geo-political.
It's much more complex than a monolithic interpretation of religiosity.
I'd like to know about the Sabbatean-Frankist dimensions of this... Could you point me to any handy resources please?
I started reading TO ELIMINATE THE OPIATE by a rabbi named Marvin Antelman but I honestly found it paranoid and unconvincing. I'd like a more "just-the-facts" source if I can get one.
If you look at my other comments you will find links. One of them is absolutely about Sabbatean-Frankism. It seems factual and thorough. It helped me a lot to fill in the blanks.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wIOC0h1aS8g8/
Religion is belief in someone else's experience, the belief of which is enforced by the Auto da Fé, crusades, witch burnings, genocides, etc.
Spirituality is having your own experience which belongs only to one's self and no other.
(Crow here) - I actually wrote a whole piece about the difference between spirituality and religion, which you can find here: https://nevermoremedia.substack.com/p/what-is-the-difference-between-religion...
Thank you.
Another thing the article overlooks is the fact that the original Zionists who began immigrating to Palestine before, during and after WWII, killing and terrorizing Arab Palestinians and sowing discord among Arabs, Jews, Christians and lesser known sects who lived peacefully together, were what were called "secular Jews", mainly from Germany (though they may have been indoctrinated in Sabbateanism before or upon arrival).
Religious Jews were generally opposed to Zionism; particularly Orthodox Jews were I believe adamantly opposed. It was only later that radical religious Zionism arose, exacerbating the bad situation that had been begun by secular political Zionism.
If you really want to know how it all came about and think you can handle some really dark stuff, check out the following video. I think it's essential to understand if we are ever going to face this beast down.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wIOC0h1aS8g8/
Thanks for your comments. Would you willing to write something for Nevermore about the deep history of Zionism?
I know you do deeper dives than I do. I consider myself a generalist.
Yes, I've already begun, but I've just begun and it may take me a while. In the meantime you may be interested in the preface to my article on Cecil Rhodes. It's related. You are welcome to publish that on Nevermore.
https://totheroot.substack.com/p/cecil-rhodes-plan-for-anglo-saxon-domination
https://www.bitchute.com/video/wIOC0h1aS8g8/
I think this piece misses a number of things, not least the development of fundamentalism AS A REACTION TO MATERIALISM that has led to the extreme clashes in the middle east and Christian fundamentalism in the West.
I recommend this book:
The Battle for God
By Karen Armstrong
An examination of the militant and vociferous voices of fundamentalists in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam from a period covering 1492 - 1999.
"Armstrong sees fundamentalist groups as complex, innovative, and modern — rather than as throwbacks to the past — but contends that they have failed in religious terms. Maintaining that fundamentalism often exists in symbiotic relationship with an aggressive modernity, each impelling the other on to greater excess, she suggests compassion as a way to defuse what is now an intensifying conflict."
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/4887/the-battle-for-god-by-karen-armstrong/
Brilliantly expressed with the recognition of infinite knowledge!
https://youtu.be/4idQbwsvtUo?si=vmF1ewJ9ECSPwt2D