It is pointless to petition the state/oligarchs or demand they decide anything in your favor. It won't happen as long as they're able to force the masses into submission.
If your movement isn't killing people and breaking things, causing absolute large-scale chaos and destruction, ready willing and able to take on and/or defeat military forces, then it will eventually fail. You have to match or surpass state violence in order to be effective. Your movement has to basically act as an invading military force.
Maybe the occupy movement should have burned down the entirety of Wall St and killed as many leaders in NYC and DC as possible.
My reasoning is that the state always ultimately answers everything with force as a matter of systemic order. Whatever the situation angle or strategy, the state forces it's violent terms upon anything within it's grasp or in it's way. Thus any effective movement will inevitably have to address said force.
Even if the whole population agreed on a peaceful color revolution and completely boycotted the state/oligarchs, if the people absolutely refused to vote pay taxes or play along with state edicts, it would still come down to force.
What I noticed most about Occupy WS, was that it pure anarchy. You guys took the "No Authority" to the extreme. In Mass movements, you have to have people in charge. In big camps, you have to have PR people, Security people, Cooks, cleaners, etc. It's like a small army. You guys didn't have any organization that I could see.
Your grievances were all over the place and there was no coherent message.
On the plus side, I don't remember seeing any looting, rioting, rapes, or shootings. So, there's that.
I attended Occupy encampments in St Louis, Kansas City, Springfield Missouri, Missoula Montana, Knoxville Tennessee, Lawrence Kansas, and a few other places. My favourite was in Kansas City where we camped across the street from the Kansas City Feral Reserveless Scheme building. We also marched on the IRS building.
In my view it was the 2012 election that killed the Occupy. Our camp was run off by extreme police measures about the time of the primaries. We tried to keep it going at a new location but the rot set in.
It is pointless to petition the state/oligarchs or demand they decide anything in your favor. It won't happen as long as they're able to force the masses into submission.
If your movement isn't killing people and breaking things, causing absolute large-scale chaos and destruction, ready willing and able to take on and/or defeat military forces, then it will eventually fail. You have to match or surpass state violence in order to be effective. Your movement has to basically act as an invading military force.
Maybe the occupy movement should have burned down the entirety of Wall St and killed as many leaders in NYC and DC as possible.
Yeah, well people in Canada and the U.S. definitely aren't prepared to do that. If that's what's necessary, I guess we'll get rolled over.
I understand where you're coming from but I don't see this that way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_continuity_of_operations
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84
My reasoning is that the state always ultimately answers everything with force as a matter of systemic order. Whatever the situation angle or strategy, the state forces it's violent terms upon anything within it's grasp or in it's way. Thus any effective movement will inevitably have to address said force.
Even if the whole population agreed on a peaceful color revolution and completely boycotted the state/oligarchs, if the people absolutely refused to vote pay taxes or play along with state edicts, it would still come down to force.
The state knows no other way. It's evil.
NEVERMORE UNA AUTOPSIS FELICES
FELICES AUTOPSIA DEL MOVIMIENTOO
FELICES Y GRACIAS UNA AUTOPSIA
What I noticed most about Occupy WS, was that it pure anarchy. You guys took the "No Authority" to the extreme. In Mass movements, you have to have people in charge. In big camps, you have to have PR people, Security people, Cooks, cleaners, etc. It's like a small army. You guys didn't have any organization that I could see.
Your grievances were all over the place and there was no coherent message.
On the plus side, I don't remember seeing any looting, rioting, rapes, or shootings. So, there's that.
I attended Occupy encampments in St Louis, Kansas City, Springfield Missouri, Missoula Montana, Knoxville Tennessee, Lawrence Kansas, and a few other places. My favourite was in Kansas City where we camped across the street from the Kansas City Feral Reserveless Scheme building. We also marched on the IRS building.
In my view it was the 2012 election that killed the Occupy. Our camp was run off by extreme police measures about the time of the primaries. We tried to keep it going at a new location but the rot set in.
Yes! The end of Wall St Banking systems will push a new reality and ecology on reciprocation!
We WILL need to have reserves to get us through this much needed movement!
Interesting... do you a link to that post?
Wow! What a terrific comment. I'm making a mental note to come back to this.