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7/ I JUST SOLVED IT!!! It's amazing what thoughts one has on the loo!

Homosexuality depends upon one partner being *submissive*, right?

So - IT ONLY HAPPENS IN HIERARCHICAL SOCIAL ENVIRONMENTS!!!

Specifically, PATRIARCHAL!!! What I was saying about British (male only) private boarding schools, for example. Or the army, even.

Or, indeed, 'primate' social groups. So now we remember what I said about homo sapiens living in egalitarian societies let's say between 300kya and 10kya - then we give way to patriarchies. Some 'men' are dominant, some are submissive.

What was really, really, really interesting in that essay was their citation that the prevalence of lesbians is so much lower than poofs.

But in egalitarian societies, it probably wouldn't happen, other than let's call it 'natural variance' (amounting to no more than 1-2% - so it wouldn't have any impact whatsoever on group or individual survival - the group as a whole wouldn't care less, so long as it didn't involve 'forcing oneself on another member of the same sex' - related to 'child abuse' which would result in ostracism anyway).

Like I said, 1-2% of a population in, say a group of Dunbar's number 150, doesn't even register. So for the vast majority of human existence, was there ever even any homosexuality? It has no bearing on group or individual survival. Having between 1.5 and 3 gay blokes in a social group would be irrelevant and probably unnoticed. If those gay blokes are effeminate then they'd display 'socially beneficial' traits like intuition, sensitivity, social decision-making ability, rhythm on the dance floor - would those types not become shamans? Medicine men? Mystics and poets and storytellers?

Would they even think of themselves as 'gay' in the modern sense of the word? No, they wouldn't - they'd think of themselves as 'capable of heightened empathy towards members of their own gender' - and that, I venture, really is a group survival benefit.

So, once again, we think about the 'manifestation' of 'non-hetero' in a particular social environment, as opposed to the 'being' homo (which is, in the end, just a random variance of the sexuality bit of the brain). So I say, in those prehistoric societies homo-ness would've had a very different outlet for expression - whereas in more modern societies, hierarchical societies, those sorts of roles are entirely different, and thus the social expression of homo-ness is far more *fitting somewhere into the patriarchal caste system* if you see what I mean.

The Romans, for example, had a specific word for 'one who takes it up the arse'. I can't remember what the word is - ah 'cinaedus' that's it. This Wiki entry is illuminating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

So, yeah - maybe we have solved your initial question about why what we would see as 'homosexuality' is largely absent from indigenous societies in the (north) Americas? If they were smaller social groups, and they didn't have hierarchies in the same way modern western societies do, and were far more gender-egalitarian, then, well, there we go.

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5/ the nature of sexual attraction. The sexuality bit of the brain isn't really about 'male' or 'female'.

This is why there is such variety in the types to which people are attracted. Like, I don't know, gentleman prefer blondes.

Let's look at the varieties of sexual attraction in non-hetero types. Some (alleged) lesbians like butch dykes. I can't understand those people as lesbians because they're attracted to masculine characteristics. Surely a lesbian would be attracted to the feminine?

Gay boys - attracted to 'effeminate' type, or butch, buff type?

Hetero-blokes - attracted to plumptious child-bearing hips and fat-bottomed girls or lithe, athletic types?

How about 'sense of humour'?

See where I'm going with this? Likewise, because fMRI has shown that 'sexuality' and 'gender identity' are entirely unrelated (in terms of brain configuration), and both are subject to epigenetic influences, sexuality is unrelated to 'male' or 'female', but rather it's to do with 'attracted to a particular visual type' and, here we go with the REALLY SEXY BIT!!! it's either 'dominant type' or 'submissive type'. Under 'normal' circumstances 'males' are 'dominant' (penetrative) and 'women' are 'submissive' (receptive).

But!!! We know that 'sexuality' is different to 'gender' so what we're talking about here is a 'combination' hypothesis - you can have 'male + dominant type' (let's say 98% of males), 'male + submissive type', 'female plus dominant type' (very rare - maybe lesbian?) and 'female submissive type' (equally 98% of females? - I'm this one, btw, but that's different from being *socially* submissive - important point there). Those statistics seem ok to me.

Since proto-humans lost most of their hair, even 'males' would've appeared with female characteristics.

I'll make that one number 6/ when homo erectus (lol) started losing body hair, obviously women would've been the first to lose it by virtue of lack of testosterone levels, but then, gradually, the men do too, some more than others. So, they seem a bit 'effeminate' thus leading to...

Fucking fascinating stuff, though, I have to say!

And now I must have a pee-pee.

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