In the US it’s not just the parties that come into play. It seems like conflict is more likely to come from the states vs the central government. Though, it will probably be Republican states, so parties matter. That would look more like civil war, vs revolution. The race aspect is super worrying. However, if it takes the form of conflicts within federalism, that could push race to the margins. I don’t think people will intentionally trigger a major conflict, but they’re willing to push it pretty good and things can get out of hand. Plus we do largely dislike our fellows at this point.
Uggghh I hate U.S. election years... actually this one's been less annoying than usual, because it doesn't even seem like the system even knows what it's doing this time...
This is a dimension of things that is pretty much lost on me... Canada is a monarchy, provinces are subsidiaries of the federal government. I'm sure you've got a much higher-res view of American politics... Do you think it's possible than a new Occupy movement could come out of left field? Seems to me like the conditions are right.
I think all sorts of movements could develop quickly if there was an economic crisis and that seems likely sooner than later given how fake our economy is. I suppose that could be uniting since we would all be in that together to some extent.
The pro-Palestine protests are interesting. Not sure what is really going on there. So far, these are at more elite institutions. So, it's the young most associated with the elite who are doing this. That does actually represent some degree of fracture w/in the elite given that governmentally the Western elite is supporting Israel. However, it also seems like there is some big money flowing into the protests, so maybe the elite supports the protests. Anyway, unless this spreads more broadly, it seems like a dispute within the elite to me, not an anti-elite vs elite thing.
No revolution possible in the US because within each "side" if you go far enough you find a total lack of trust in every direction, a self-imposed internal panopticon. This is the result of generations of people raised in a capitalist system. Also, those in power will continue to rule not by force so much as by instigating fear. Be afraid enough and you'll follow Joe Biden no matter where that leads. Even an AI-generated deepfake Joe Biden taking the place -- as may already be the case -- of he who is presumed to be alive.
If it's any consolation (nope!) it's the same divide, propagandise & rule system in Europe. In whichever country you go to (including Britain) the Establishment will control the main parties. If an aberration occurs (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn, or LFI here in France) then the Establishment parties plus the media will essentially join forces to stop them. If that doesn't work, then the intelligence services will be called in to help rig the election. Like in France in 2022, Le Pen (establishment right-wing) only beat Melenchon (socialist opposition) by a few hundred thousand votes in the first round of the presidentials. That left Macron vs. Le Pen, meaning that even though the vast majority of France hates him (he only won 27% in round one) they voted 'against' le Pen (by voting Macron) so Macron gets in by default.
In Britain's next election Labour will win because people want to get rid of the Tories, and they appear to be too stupid to realise that Starmer is an Establishment, authoritarian asset (a fascist, basically). Having said that, at the local elections this week Starmer's labour only got 34%, as a lot of people voted for smaller parties. So there is hope there, however the intel agencies will have studied those results so as to know how to rig it in more detail.
What there really needs to be is a liberal socialist party for which so many people vote that any vote rigging would be so obvious as to provoke a revolution. But I don't think that's going to happen, alas, because, as you say, there are too many brainwashed people out there. So I very much fear it is too late.
They may provoke a revolution, of course, specifically so they can take out the revolutionaries...
Cole's Notes: He's a rabid Zionist, he flew on Epstein's plane multiple times (see Whitney Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail), and he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning anyway.
Sorry to be a Debby Downer, but I call 'em like I see 'em. RFK wrote an amazing book about Fauci, which I devoured, but he's rabidly pro-IDF.
Agreed. I too devoured his Fauci exposé, but RFK Jr's also a politician, I.e., a lying psychopath, and, if that weren't bad enough, a pro-genocide Zionist to boot .
I don't think you will either after you dig up the dirt on him:
RFK had his ex-wife's body exhumed and reburied in an unmarked grave.
According to a 2012 NBC article:
The body of the late Mary Richardson Kennedy, the estranged wife of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., was exhumed last week and moved from its original spot among the Kennedy clan.
"The coffin containing her remains was transferred 700 feet away and reburied in an empty part of the St. Francis Xavier Cemetery in Centerville, Mass. No marker currently identifies her gravesite, the New York Daily News reported.
At the time of her death, Mary’s siblings sued Kennedy to have her buried in Westchester, N.Y., closer to where her four children live. But Kennedy won in court, and she was buried near Kennedy’s aunt and uncle, Eunice and Sargent Shriver.
Mary’s siblings reportedly weren’t made aware their sister was uprooted and moved to a different part of the cemetery, close to its entrance.
The transfer of her body to the other end of the cemetery is the latest incident in the bitter feud between the Kennedy and Richardson families following the death of Mary.
“We were unaware of this, and we were not informed about it,” Patricia Hennessey, the Richardson family’s lawyer, told the Daily News.
[…]
Mary, 52, hanged herself at the family’s estate in Bedford, N.Y. in May. Her divorce from Robert, who delivered the eulogy at her funeral, was still pending. Her death followed two difficult years during which she battled drug and alcohol addiction, her husband filed for divorce, and she was charged twice with driving while intoxicated.
The autopsy revealed that there were at least three antidepressants in her blood when she died.
Her autopsy report also revealed that her fingers were caught between her neck and the noose when she was found dead, perhaps indicating that she may have changed her mind about hanging herself at the last minute, the Daily News reported.
In early June, the Richardson family responded to accusations about Mary’s behavior made by Robert in a court affidavit from the Kennedy’s divorce case.
Kennedy claimed his wife beat him, threatened suicide in front of her children, ran over the family dog and drank until she passed out. It also asked a judge for an order of protection to keep her from physically attacking him, showing up uninvited at his homes, denigrating him to their children and asked that Mary be required to remain sober in front of their children.
The Richardson family slammed Kennedy’s account of their relationship, saying it was full of vindictive lies."
Maybe this will come off as sexist or insensitive... But any man that gets beaten by his wife is unqualified to lead a country.
If you can't run a household, you sure as fuck can't run a country.
Going to court to stop your wife from saying bad things about you? Are you fucking kidding me?
Also, does anyone else think that it’s weird that RFK was trying to shut her up and then she conveniently dies?
The reason that RFK Sr. had Marilyn Monroe killed was to silence her. Maybe the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree. Just saying.
Also, if Cindy McCain was telling the truth when she said that “We all knew what Epstein was doing”, it kind of makes you wonder whether RFK knew what Epstein was doing back when he was flying on his plane, doesn’t it?
That we would be saved by a politician is a misnomer but for those normies voting, how can you vote for a guy siding with Israel over the systematic destruction of Palestinians? Kman, DIGILEAK
An outright revolution à la France could happen, but what I think may be more likely is a Soviet-style collapse. The credit runs dry and eventually the edifice is too big and too rotten to sustain itself and the whole thing just rapidly implodes, with an anarchic free for all to follow. Interesting times I suppose, but if we can see it coming we can avoid where the violence will be the worst.
All of the ingredients are in place for a revolution in the US, you are right. What's happening now is that a large majority of Americans are losing the last of their faith and trust in existing institutions, and some of them are active duty military people. That loss of trust IS often the last straw.
The key question is, Who will pick up the reins of power when they are dropped by the ancien regime? The last time we had a revolution, we got luckier than most with George Washington, who didn't even want them and was willing to hand them off and retire from public life.
I don't know the answer to that question. I think we'll be lucky if we get someone with competence and intelligence like a Cromwell or a Napoleon who isn't driven by a desire for theocracy or conquest. There are FAR worse possibilities.
I'm assuming we won't magically develop an anarcho-syndicalist paradise or something really nice right off the bat, for that would be wishful thinking at best. There will be a transitional period between the old regime and the new form of government, and many devils reside in those transitional times.
If one of the worst things happen, THEN we'll have our civil war and it's up to the gods or fate or chance, take your pick, but you may have to pick a side, being right next door and all.
Directly to civil war with no revolution? The only way I see that happening is if the military squares off against itself, and so far I see no signs of that. It's something to look out for, though.
I quit giving a shit about the USA a long time ago. That miserable Union was achieved at the point of bayonet, fueled by greed and moral hysteria. The USA is an arrogant, thrusting, power-mad degenerate that should be dissolved, the Ds banned, the GOP jailed and the neocons sent to Russia to answer for their crimes. Let the 50 states decide if they want to recreate the farce.
I had another intriguing thought, which often happens after I wake up in the mornings and have my usual three mugs of freshly ground arabica. Although this probably ties in with my penchant for writing offbeat speculative fiction involving devious dystopian bad guys. Like 'what would I do if I were a bunch of nefarious monsters with a long-term plan?' - would I go for the boot-in-the-face or the 'own nothing and be happy' option? Psychologically, I think I'd go for a bit of both, because I'd have a pathological need to abuse people. At the same time, I'd need to feel secure in my social control.
So I think what I'd do is first of all, identify all the potential resistance (mass surveillance etc.) and create honeypots, partly to help identify the resistance and partly to collect them all into particular confined spaces (like online echo bubbles). I would then start to demonise them in the eyes of the public to create an us v them situation, and make the public scared of the resistance.
My devious plan here, because I understand the need for a 'perpetual enemy', is to turn the resistance into that perpetual enemy, rather than some foreign competitor (Eurasia or Eastasia or whatever). So this keeps the people fearful and on my side, whilst isolating the resistance, getting the people to denounce them and do the work for me (and looking in the wrong direction for the source of their anxieties).
Notice this line of thinking raises some really intriguing thoughts about the Establishment's attitude and plans towards the resistance. It means it is not, as it happens, in their interests to completely wipe out the resistance, but to actually leave it in place. Yes, with their own spies embedded there (like O'Brien in 1984). It would also mean that we'd have to be really vigilant when/if the revolution happens, because we would need to be mindful of the entire thing being orchestrated precisely to bring about the kind of situation I described above, in which you have a totalitarian state maintaining social control by virtue of the presence of the perpetual enemy, that enemy being the remnants of the resistance/revolution which they allowed to survive.
Although I'm kind of being frivolous here, it's also a point worth considering, given the phenomenon of 'controlled opposition' and 'infiltration of resistance groups' etc. But, at the very least, there is definitely a cool book, or series of books, in there. Plus a lucrative movie franchise to boot. Guess I'd best start tippy-tapping away on my typewriter then...
In the US it’s not just the parties that come into play. It seems like conflict is more likely to come from the states vs the central government. Though, it will probably be Republican states, so parties matter. That would look more like civil war, vs revolution. The race aspect is super worrying. However, if it takes the form of conflicts within federalism, that could push race to the margins. I don’t think people will intentionally trigger a major conflict, but they’re willing to push it pretty good and things can get out of hand. Plus we do largely dislike our fellows at this point.
And if you throw a botched election into the mix, which seems almost inevitable, all bets are off.
Uggghh I hate U.S. election years... actually this one's been less annoying than usual, because it doesn't even seem like the system even knows what it's doing this time...
This is a dimension of things that is pretty much lost on me... Canada is a monarchy, provinces are subsidiaries of the federal government. I'm sure you've got a much higher-res view of American politics... Do you think it's possible than a new Occupy movement could come out of left field? Seems to me like the conditions are right.
I think all sorts of movements could develop quickly if there was an economic crisis and that seems likely sooner than later given how fake our economy is. I suppose that could be uniting since we would all be in that together to some extent.
The pro-Palestine protests are interesting. Not sure what is really going on there. So far, these are at more elite institutions. So, it's the young most associated with the elite who are doing this. That does actually represent some degree of fracture w/in the elite given that governmentally the Western elite is supporting Israel. However, it also seems like there is some big money flowing into the protests, so maybe the elite supports the protests. Anyway, unless this spreads more broadly, it seems like a dispute within the elite to me, not an anti-elite vs elite thing.
No revolution possible in the US because within each "side" if you go far enough you find a total lack of trust in every direction, a self-imposed internal panopticon. This is the result of generations of people raised in a capitalist system. Also, those in power will continue to rule not by force so much as by instigating fear. Be afraid enough and you'll follow Joe Biden no matter where that leads. Even an AI-generated deepfake Joe Biden taking the place -- as may already be the case -- of he who is presumed to be alive.
If it's any consolation (nope!) it's the same divide, propagandise & rule system in Europe. In whichever country you go to (including Britain) the Establishment will control the main parties. If an aberration occurs (e.g. Jeremy Corbyn, or LFI here in France) then the Establishment parties plus the media will essentially join forces to stop them. If that doesn't work, then the intelligence services will be called in to help rig the election. Like in France in 2022, Le Pen (establishment right-wing) only beat Melenchon (socialist opposition) by a few hundred thousand votes in the first round of the presidentials. That left Macron vs. Le Pen, meaning that even though the vast majority of France hates him (he only won 27% in round one) they voted 'against' le Pen (by voting Macron) so Macron gets in by default.
In Britain's next election Labour will win because people want to get rid of the Tories, and they appear to be too stupid to realise that Starmer is an Establishment, authoritarian asset (a fascist, basically). Having said that, at the local elections this week Starmer's labour only got 34%, as a lot of people voted for smaller parties. So there is hope there, however the intel agencies will have studied those results so as to know how to rig it in more detail.
What there really needs to be is a liberal socialist party for which so many people vote that any vote rigging would be so obvious as to provoke a revolution. But I don't think that's going to happen, alas, because, as you say, there are too many brainwashed people out there. So I very much fear it is too late.
They may provoke a revolution, of course, specifically so they can take out the revolutionaries...
Theyre all bought and paid for.
The thing with Egypt is that Mubarak is gone, but the Banking Cabal is still in charge...Kman, DIGILEAK
Sic Semper Tyrannis 🔥
So what do you think of Robert Kennedy Jr.?
I have listened to a few of his speeches and I find them quite impressive.
Clearly intelligent. Maybe not agree with all, but clearly the best candidate and most likely to heal division.
I've written quite extensively about RFK actually:https://nevermoremedia.substack.com/p/is-rfk-controlled-opposition
https://nevermoremedia.substack.com/p/dont-give-rfk-a-fucking-cent
Cole's Notes: He's a rabid Zionist, he flew on Epstein's plane multiple times (see Whitney Webb's One Nation Under Blackmail), and he doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning anyway.
Sorry to be a Debby Downer, but I call 'em like I see 'em. RFK wrote an amazing book about Fauci, which I devoured, but he's rabidly pro-IDF.
Agreed. I too devoured his Fauci exposé, but RFK Jr's also a politician, I.e., a lying psychopath, and, if that weren't bad enough, a pro-genocide Zionist to boot .
I guess you don’t like him that much ;)
I don't think you will either after you dig up the dirt on him:
RFK had his ex-wife's body exhumed and reburied in an unmarked grave.
According to a 2012 NBC article:
The body of the late Mary Richardson Kennedy, the estranged wife of Robert F. Kennedy Jr., was exhumed last week and moved from its original spot among the Kennedy clan.
"The coffin containing her remains was transferred 700 feet away and reburied in an empty part of the St. Francis Xavier Cemetery in Centerville, Mass. No marker currently identifies her gravesite, the New York Daily News reported.
At the time of her death, Mary’s siblings sued Kennedy to have her buried in Westchester, N.Y., closer to where her four children live. But Kennedy won in court, and she was buried near Kennedy’s aunt and uncle, Eunice and Sargent Shriver.
Mary’s siblings reportedly weren’t made aware their sister was uprooted and moved to a different part of the cemetery, close to its entrance.
The transfer of her body to the other end of the cemetery is the latest incident in the bitter feud between the Kennedy and Richardson families following the death of Mary.
“We were unaware of this, and we were not informed about it,” Patricia Hennessey, the Richardson family’s lawyer, told the Daily News.
[…]
Mary, 52, hanged herself at the family’s estate in Bedford, N.Y. in May. Her divorce from Robert, who delivered the eulogy at her funeral, was still pending. Her death followed two difficult years during which she battled drug and alcohol addiction, her husband filed for divorce, and she was charged twice with driving while intoxicated.
The autopsy revealed that there were at least three antidepressants in her blood when she died.
Her autopsy report also revealed that her fingers were caught between her neck and the noose when she was found dead, perhaps indicating that she may have changed her mind about hanging herself at the last minute, the Daily News reported.
In early June, the Richardson family responded to accusations about Mary’s behavior made by Robert in a court affidavit from the Kennedy’s divorce case.
Kennedy claimed his wife beat him, threatened suicide in front of her children, ran over the family dog and drank until she passed out. It also asked a judge for an order of protection to keep her from physically attacking him, showing up uninvited at his homes, denigrating him to their children and asked that Mary be required to remain sober in front of their children.
The Richardson family slammed Kennedy’s account of their relationship, saying it was full of vindictive lies."
Maybe this will come off as sexist or insensitive... But any man that gets beaten by his wife is unqualified to lead a country.
If you can't run a household, you sure as fuck can't run a country.
Going to court to stop your wife from saying bad things about you? Are you fucking kidding me?
Also, does anyone else think that it’s weird that RFK was trying to shut her up and then she conveniently dies?
The reason that RFK Sr. had Marilyn Monroe killed was to silence her. Maybe the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree. Just saying.
Also, if Cindy McCain was telling the truth when she said that “We all knew what Epstein was doing”, it kind of makes you wonder whether RFK knew what Epstein was doing back when he was flying on his plane, doesn’t it?
That we would be saved by a politician is a misnomer but for those normies voting, how can you vote for a guy siding with Israel over the systematic destruction of Palestinians? Kman, DIGILEAK
Yep. The IDF thing is a deal breaker for anyone.
Count me in. Me and all my older male neighbors.
Anti-Schism's "All Their Money Stinks of Death" 7" EP resonates louder now than when first released exactly 34 years ago.
A lot of classic punk has aged incredibly well... Crass & Aus-Rotten come to mind...
Indeed it has, though I remain both puzzled & disappointed at how many scene stalwarts conformed so cravenly to medical martial law.
right? Oh man, broke my heart seeing Jello get jabbed. He was my hero.
An outright revolution à la France could happen, but what I think may be more likely is a Soviet-style collapse. The credit runs dry and eventually the edifice is too big and too rotten to sustain itself and the whole thing just rapidly implodes, with an anarchic free for all to follow. Interesting times I suppose, but if we can see it coming we can avoid where the violence will be the worst.
All of the ingredients are in place for a revolution in the US, you are right. What's happening now is that a large majority of Americans are losing the last of their faith and trust in existing institutions, and some of them are active duty military people. That loss of trust IS often the last straw.
The key question is, Who will pick up the reins of power when they are dropped by the ancien regime? The last time we had a revolution, we got luckier than most with George Washington, who didn't even want them and was willing to hand them off and retire from public life.
I don't know the answer to that question. I think we'll be lucky if we get someone with competence and intelligence like a Cromwell or a Napoleon who isn't driven by a desire for theocracy or conquest. There are FAR worse possibilities.
I'm assuming we won't magically develop an anarcho-syndicalist paradise or something really nice right off the bat, for that would be wishful thinking at best. There will be a transitional period between the old regime and the new form of government, and many devils reside in those transitional times.
If one of the worst things happen, THEN we'll have our civil war and it's up to the gods or fate or chance, take your pick, but you may have to pick a side, being right next door and all.
Directly to civil war with no revolution? The only way I see that happening is if the military squares off against itself, and so far I see no signs of that. It's something to look out for, though.
I quit giving a shit about the USA a long time ago. That miserable Union was achieved at the point of bayonet, fueled by greed and moral hysteria. The USA is an arrogant, thrusting, power-mad degenerate that should be dissolved, the Ds banned, the GOP jailed and the neocons sent to Russia to answer for their crimes. Let the 50 states decide if they want to recreate the farce.
I had another intriguing thought, which often happens after I wake up in the mornings and have my usual three mugs of freshly ground arabica. Although this probably ties in with my penchant for writing offbeat speculative fiction involving devious dystopian bad guys. Like 'what would I do if I were a bunch of nefarious monsters with a long-term plan?' - would I go for the boot-in-the-face or the 'own nothing and be happy' option? Psychologically, I think I'd go for a bit of both, because I'd have a pathological need to abuse people. At the same time, I'd need to feel secure in my social control.
So I think what I'd do is first of all, identify all the potential resistance (mass surveillance etc.) and create honeypots, partly to help identify the resistance and partly to collect them all into particular confined spaces (like online echo bubbles). I would then start to demonise them in the eyes of the public to create an us v them situation, and make the public scared of the resistance.
My devious plan here, because I understand the need for a 'perpetual enemy', is to turn the resistance into that perpetual enemy, rather than some foreign competitor (Eurasia or Eastasia or whatever). So this keeps the people fearful and on my side, whilst isolating the resistance, getting the people to denounce them and do the work for me (and looking in the wrong direction for the source of their anxieties).
Notice this line of thinking raises some really intriguing thoughts about the Establishment's attitude and plans towards the resistance. It means it is not, as it happens, in their interests to completely wipe out the resistance, but to actually leave it in place. Yes, with their own spies embedded there (like O'Brien in 1984). It would also mean that we'd have to be really vigilant when/if the revolution happens, because we would need to be mindful of the entire thing being orchestrated precisely to bring about the kind of situation I described above, in which you have a totalitarian state maintaining social control by virtue of the presence of the perpetual enemy, that enemy being the remnants of the resistance/revolution which they allowed to survive.
Although I'm kind of being frivolous here, it's also a point worth considering, given the phenomenon of 'controlled opposition' and 'infiltration of resistance groups' etc. But, at the very least, there is definitely a cool book, or series of books, in there. Plus a lucrative movie franchise to boot. Guess I'd best start tippy-tapping away on my typewriter then...