Can I suggest that whether nukes exist isn't necessarily a pressing question? I mean if they want to destroy you, everyone and everything in the area, the land, all of it - look at Dresden. No nukes required. I'm failing to see a lot of difference between that and Hiroshima in terms of what happened to people. Have I missed something here?
As for teaching people to live in fear - it wasn't nukes. It wasn't covid, either, at least not in the same way (it was the government that scared the hell out of me then - yes, I'm Canadian, but this isn't the only place where we discovered we have no rights!)
Weirdly, I was talking about this on another stack. I can't time it precisely, I'd guess maybe 25 years ago? If you're younger you might remember when. Media and experts were filling people's heads with so many horror stories. Your children are not safe! You must protect them! Letting children free range will kill them, one way or another. And that's when people turned into helicopter parents. Kids didn't have a moment alone. Every activity was planned and chaperoned. For their safety, of course.
Untold damage was done.
But is that why so many people fell into line and did what they were told so easily when covid hit? Or because climate change?
The better question to ask is whether or not the nuclear weapons that were built in the 70s and 80s are still functional today. Is all of that old tech still working? Would a nuke built with pre internet tech still be able to fire, or has the wiring deteriorated.
I know for a fact that there is a site in the panhandle of Texas that refurbishes and deactivates nukes. So, have they updated and/or deactivated enough?
Great article! Question everything. I think it was either George Hobbs over at Fact Hunter or Crow777 that turned me on to this idea. I'm still researching it myself, but I always salute people thinking outside the box.
Thanks! Crow777? Who is that? That's a weird synchronicity if there's a truther out there using that name! Back in Canada my anarchist collective/cult is called 777.
That is quite the synchronicity then, as there is indeed a truther that goes by "Crrow777." [sic] He is most famous for his video showing a "lunar wave," if you haven't checked that out.
While I have never seen a nuclear weapon, like I've never seen a blue ringed octopus, I would believe in both of those things. I feel that there are a lot of complex things that people would prefer not to exist.
I think that denial is comforting because it has an easy answer.
Does the poison of a blue ringed octopus need to be seen to be deadly?
I didn't die last night because of a missile strike on my apartment block. I used to think that people couldn't die in their sleep. Once I realised that people could just go to sleep one night and never wake up I also realised that the scale of simultaneous and shocking events on Earth was likely to be a lot more terrifying and unfair than I had previously imagined.
As I understand it, no one is questioning whether "nuclear weapons" and delivery systems exist, or even that an immense, costly effort has been made to create and produce them. If you wanted to see one up front, you would probably have to have special security access, but personally I don't think that casts doubt on their existence.
The real question, as I understand it, is whether they were actually able to make them work; or whether, having failed, they simply pretended they worked and produced film footage (between the 1940s and 60s) to convince the public they work, have been tested, and were used at the end of WWII. Because, curiously for example, according to one documentary, the type of atomic bomb they tested at Trinity was not the same type as the one(s) that were boarded onto the planes and dropped over Japan. Why? Did the first type fail to work and they only pretended it worked? Did the second type work, or did they firebomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki the same way they firebombed Tokyo? After all, they already had experience with firebombing and they knew how much of a disaster they could create. By choosing smaller cities - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - they knew they could completely obliterate them.
Thank you for clarifying that... I think you put your pitch a lot better tha time.
I don't watch many videos from sources I don't know and expect to take them seriously.
If you want to compare holocaust denial where the '~6 million' figure is disputed with a lesser number, such as '10 thousand' and then say words to the effect of 'they had it coming' along with some belief that the exact numbers based on the average amount of proof going around makes a difference. I take no sides then, because I don't have enough verifiable eveidence to back it up, like I look at your firebombing claim and it makes me believe the opposite, like the 10 thousand claim I once heard backs up the '~6 million' Jews, Gypsys, Blacks, Gays, Communists and anybody else who got in the way of fascism.
As I understand it some people might even call me a holocaust denier for my assessment which I'll admit isn't very well informed.
The truth is I haven't seen very much evidence either way. I know that Nuclear reactors based on Uranium output Plutonium needed to produce the 'pits' for Nukes. I know the pits decay over time, leading to 'duds'. I know there were other ways for the 'duds' to happen that aren't disputed. I believe that the videos I've seen of footage of the 'Tsar Bomba' seem very convincing.
If you want to convince people these days you need to get your point across quick and nukes are at this point mostly ignored as far as I can tell.
I'm more likely to watch this video [ https://youtu.be/YaheWP-6DbQ ] than a video that seems like it makes no difference whether the bombs were 'real bombs'... the reactions and conditioning are interesting in both cases to me.
I really want to compare this to a person juggling lit fire torches 'that isn't real fire, I heard of a politician juggling W88 nuclear warheads and they weren't even duds, your fake fire doesn't even burn I heard it only burns at such a low temperature so you can catch it the wrong end and it just makes your hands covered in soot.'
Truth is I don't expect people to read what I write, nor watch videos I don't even tell them are music videos about the climate crisis. Perhaps I'm just being a dick for not even trying to express what I'm more likely to care about.
Not really going to get anywhere with this I suspect. Nobody wants to admit to the flaws in their thinking. I'm open to looking at this question but I'm not sure I could do a proper job of convincing you they exist. Like Jim, I can follow the maths, but if you can't or don't want to, that's not going to be convincing. I could show you pictures and testimony; likewise. This kind of question raises all kinds of epistemological issues, which are the most interesting aspect for me. I posted elsewhere, since this was raised before, that I watched a bit of one of those videos, and found it wanting. I'll read Tobin with an open mind if he digs in because I know he's not a fool. But we'll have to do better than insinuation, argument by analogy and so on.
It is. Funnily enough, when I first encountered the flat earthers I thought they must be just having some fun with epistemology. But no, there are real believers in that too. Either way, it was amusing watching them get.under the skin of people who couldn't really answer them well. Few people really give this fundamental question much thought.
If you really do keep an open mind you will explore further. We have been lied to for so long. How true this is - the key words for the old Age of Pisces "I believe" and for the coming Age of Aquarius "I know".
I challenge you to explore the possibility that we may live inside a great torus field where the plane(t) of inertia is our level earth. Note that Wikipedia has a disclaimer under every level earth video saying its not "science". Now there's a clue.
Let's start with the conversations with people my dad brought around to the house who were in Japan at the time of the nuke fire in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Dr. Shimizu was a visiting professor in the 1960s and assisted with the investigation by the Empire of Nippon into what destroyed Hiroshima. He went into Hiroshima the afternoon of 7 August 1945. They had Geiger counters. They measured alarming levels of radiation near the centre of the blast.
My dad worked at Los Alamos in the early 1970s, probably on the theoretical aspects of the neutron bomb. I spent a boring month there one Summer. I also concentrated in astrophysics at Columbia. Saw some nuclear reactors from the inside.
It's a sad part of our reality that the really safe tech for nuclear energy from thorium is not developed because it doesn't produce plutonium for bombs. It's also a sad part of our reality that there are a large number of nuclear warheads and rockets to fire them across the planet.
And while we're at it, yes I have worked with large scale rockets in the space transportation industry and with men and women who worked on the Moon landings. Dozens of them. I also knew some ham radio operators who triangulated the television signals from the Apollo landers to the lunar surface.
Y'all are going to choose to believe whatever you want to believe. I was active in the anti-war group at Columbia that did the nuclear war protest "die in" in 1982 which brought the cia investigation into our work written up by Barack Obama in the Sundial magazine in 1983.
I don't really mind if you don't believe in nuclear weapons. The bombs don't care if you believe in them either. It only takes one in the wrong place to have a really bad day.
You can study the mathematics and the physics if you want. The equations are not difficult once you understand the variables and the constants. The fact that not very many people want to work at understanding is no longer surprising, though it remains disappointing.
There are a lot of dead people in Japan who were murdered by the nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many historians are aware of the fire bombings of Tokyo, Kobe, Dresden, Cologne, and other civilian targets. But you only get the long term cancer deaths with the nukes. Perhaps the suffering of generations of survivors isn't interesting?
I don't know my friend. At some point it comes off as callous and uncaring. Whatev
It 's not my intention to be uncaring. I don't think it's Crow's intention either. Certainly also not to come off as such. Actually, the opposite. It is simply to question assumptions. Assumptions that are the cause of fear of the worst kind - of the destruction of the entire world (thermonuclear winter, etc.)
2 summers ago I attended a meeting on nuclear weapons proliferation at the Catholic cathedral in Santa Fe, NM with a friend of mine who is a retired nuclear physicist and had worked most his life at Los Alamos. It is ludicrous to me how many billions of dollars have been spent on this stuff. It was certainly concerning to me at the time. I will not dismiss all of that easily. I certainly think such concerns are legitimate. But then, what if it's all make believe?
Anyway, thanks for your input. I've wondered about the cancer patients around Nagasaki and Hiroshima, too. I'll keep your thoughts in mind.
It does come off as uncaring. You might want to learn the physics and mathematics involved. Maybe your retired friend can teach you the basics. Or maybe Mme Curie died in vain, idk
I've looked directly into the Cherenkov radiation of a swimming pool nuclear reactor. It's not make believe. But you might not have the courage to face the truth. The truth is that there are dead people in Utah from above ground nuclear tests in Nevada in the 1950s. And there are tens of thousands of men who were close enough to nuclear test explosions to be suffering excess deaths from cancer since then.
Thanks again for your input! I have been concerned about nuclear radiation most of my life. As I said, I hadn't come to any conclusions. Please refrain from assuming that I do not want to face the truth when you know little about me.
The Cuban Missile Crisis would be a wild event if this was true. Two superpowers playing chicken over pieces of technology they both know they don't have/don't exist.
Viruses exist. I've seen them in something called a microscope. Nuclear weapons also most definitely exist. Shit, man, read John Hersey's Hiroshima. Nukes are as real and as deadly as it gets.
Gods, I hope you're not going down some existentialist or Buddhist rabbit hole, convincing yourself that you can't know whether or not anything's real or illusion, always leading to the conclusion that nothing really matters.
Probably not. I'm no virologist. I'm a historian, which means no one can tell me that smallpox does not exist. Or(warning: sarcasm may be present) maybe it's easier for me to believe that diseases wiped out 90% of the native population before the first Englishman set foot at the site of Jamestown than it is to believe they died of some secret Roman Catholic or Illuminati conspiracy or something.
Or that my cousin was crippled by polio, living only because he made it to an iron lung, and not struck down by the capriciousness of some deity.
Dr. Qureshi is way into extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence country here, and I didn't see a speck of that in the article.
Dear friend, thanks for your thoughts. No one is questioning whether diseases such as smallpox and polio exist(ed). What is being questioned is whether viruses exist and are the causes of such diseases. Iron lungs have been replaced by more modern devices called respirators. Polio didn't disappear as suggested, though it did decline in the United States when DDT and BHC went out of favor and began to be exported to third world countries.
My article on Dr Qureshi is not in depth. it came after 3 years of intense research.
I've discussed polio in 2 previous articles. For more in depth information, follow the links in my articles to Jim West's work or the scientific medical works of Drs. Raph Scobey and Morton S. Biskind:
Can I suggest that whether nukes exist isn't necessarily a pressing question? I mean if they want to destroy you, everyone and everything in the area, the land, all of it - look at Dresden. No nukes required. I'm failing to see a lot of difference between that and Hiroshima in terms of what happened to people. Have I missed something here?
As for teaching people to live in fear - it wasn't nukes. It wasn't covid, either, at least not in the same way (it was the government that scared the hell out of me then - yes, I'm Canadian, but this isn't the only place where we discovered we have no rights!)
Weirdly, I was talking about this on another stack. I can't time it precisely, I'd guess maybe 25 years ago? If you're younger you might remember when. Media and experts were filling people's heads with so many horror stories. Your children are not safe! You must protect them! Letting children free range will kill them, one way or another. And that's when people turned into helicopter parents. Kids didn't have a moment alone. Every activity was planned and chaperoned. For their safety, of course.
Untold damage was done.
But is that why so many people fell into line and did what they were told so easily when covid hit? Or because climate change?
Sorry for the wild off-topic here.
Yep, the use of fear has led to the generalised infantilisation of people. Petrified children clinging to their abuser.
The better question to ask is whether or not the nuclear weapons that were built in the 70s and 80s are still functional today. Is all of that old tech still working? Would a nuke built with pre internet tech still be able to fire, or has the wiring deteriorated.
I know for a fact that there is a site in the panhandle of Texas that refurbishes and deactivates nukes. So, have they updated and/or deactivated enough?
Good point!
I was thinking of making a joke post about how Nevermore is getting into the (ethical) nuclear weapons business because NFTs didn´t work out for us.
Ethical nukes = nothing but duds. By the time you test your nukes well be long gone.
I'm an old soul. I don't believe that combat should be done as it is done today.
Combat should one on one, with swords, axes, shields, and armor.
All the modern combat takes the honor out of it.
Great article! Question everything. I think it was either George Hobbs over at Fact Hunter or Crow777 that turned me on to this idea. I'm still researching it myself, but I always salute people thinking outside the box.
Thanks! Crow777? Who is that? That's a weird synchronicity if there's a truther out there using that name! Back in Canada my anarchist collective/cult is called 777.
Get brainwashed here: https://www.triple7.ca/
That is quite the synchronicity then, as there is indeed a truther that goes by "Crrow777." [sic] He is most famous for his video showing a "lunar wave," if you haven't checked that out.
But he also has talked about the possibility of nuclear bombs being a hoax as well, for example in this episode of his show: https://www.crrow777radio.com/053-duck-cover-no-more-nuclear-nonsense-free/
Enjoy!
And thank you for the link; the site looks awesome! I look forward to checking it out further.
Cool, thanks!
Shades of Crowley?
While I have never seen a nuclear weapon, like I've never seen a blue ringed octopus, I would believe in both of those things. I feel that there are a lot of complex things that people would prefer not to exist.
I think that denial is comforting because it has an easy answer.
Does the poison of a blue ringed octopus need to be seen to be deadly?
I didn't die last night because of a missile strike on my apartment block. I used to think that people couldn't die in their sleep. Once I realised that people could just go to sleep one night and never wake up I also realised that the scale of simultaneous and shocking events on Earth was likely to be a lot more terrifying and unfair than I had previously imagined.
As I understand it, no one is questioning whether "nuclear weapons" and delivery systems exist, or even that an immense, costly effort has been made to create and produce them. If you wanted to see one up front, you would probably have to have special security access, but personally I don't think that casts doubt on their existence.
The real question, as I understand it, is whether they were actually able to make them work; or whether, having failed, they simply pretended they worked and produced film footage (between the 1940s and 60s) to convince the public they work, have been tested, and were used at the end of WWII. Because, curiously for example, according to one documentary, the type of atomic bomb they tested at Trinity was not the same type as the one(s) that were boarded onto the planes and dropped over Japan. Why? Did the first type fail to work and they only pretended it worked? Did the second type work, or did they firebomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki the same way they firebombed Tokyo? After all, they already had experience with firebombing and they knew how much of a disaster they could create. By choosing smaller cities - Hiroshima and Nagasaki - they knew they could completely obliterate them.
Thank you for clarifying that... I think you put your pitch a lot better tha time.
I don't watch many videos from sources I don't know and expect to take them seriously.
If you want to compare holocaust denial where the '~6 million' figure is disputed with a lesser number, such as '10 thousand' and then say words to the effect of 'they had it coming' along with some belief that the exact numbers based on the average amount of proof going around makes a difference. I take no sides then, because I don't have enough verifiable eveidence to back it up, like I look at your firebombing claim and it makes me believe the opposite, like the 10 thousand claim I once heard backs up the '~6 million' Jews, Gypsys, Blacks, Gays, Communists and anybody else who got in the way of fascism.
As I understand it some people might even call me a holocaust denier for my assessment which I'll admit isn't very well informed.
The truth is I haven't seen very much evidence either way. I know that Nuclear reactors based on Uranium output Plutonium needed to produce the 'pits' for Nukes. I know the pits decay over time, leading to 'duds'. I know there were other ways for the 'duds' to happen that aren't disputed. I believe that the videos I've seen of footage of the 'Tsar Bomba' seem very convincing.
If you want to convince people these days you need to get your point across quick and nukes are at this point mostly ignored as far as I can tell.
I'm more likely to watch this video [ https://youtu.be/YaheWP-6DbQ ] than a video that seems like it makes no difference whether the bombs were 'real bombs'... the reactions and conditioning are interesting in both cases to me.
I really want to compare this to a person juggling lit fire torches 'that isn't real fire, I heard of a politician juggling W88 nuclear warheads and they weren't even duds, your fake fire doesn't even burn I heard it only burns at such a low temperature so you can catch it the wrong end and it just makes your hands covered in soot.'
Truth is I don't expect people to read what I write, nor watch videos I don't even tell them are music videos about the climate crisis. Perhaps I'm just being a dick for not even trying to express what I'm more likely to care about.
“Time is a drug. Too much of it kills you.”
― Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
Editing is murder.
Not really going to get anywhere with this I suspect. Nobody wants to admit to the flaws in their thinking. I'm open to looking at this question but I'm not sure I could do a proper job of convincing you they exist. Like Jim, I can follow the maths, but if you can't or don't want to, that's not going to be convincing. I could show you pictures and testimony; likewise. This kind of question raises all kinds of epistemological issues, which are the most interesting aspect for me. I posted elsewhere, since this was raised before, that I watched a bit of one of those videos, and found it wanting. I'll read Tobin with an open mind if he digs in because I know he's not a fool. But we'll have to do better than insinuation, argument by analogy and so on.
I´m really just testing the waters at this point... It is an interesting question, though, isnt it? How do we know what we think we know?
It is. Funnily enough, when I first encountered the flat earthers I thought they must be just having some fun with epistemology. But no, there are real believers in that too. Either way, it was amusing watching them get.under the skin of people who couldn't really answer them well. Few people really give this fundamental question much thought.
If you really do keep an open mind you will explore further. We have been lied to for so long. How true this is - the key words for the old Age of Pisces "I believe" and for the coming Age of Aquarius "I know".
I challenge you to explore the possibility that we may live inside a great torus field where the plane(t) of inertia is our level earth. Note that Wikipedia has a disclaimer under every level earth video saying its not "science". Now there's a clue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ax_YpQsy88
And I will also research nuclear weapons. Thanks.
Let's start with the conversations with people my dad brought around to the house who were in Japan at the time of the nuke fire in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Dr. Shimizu was a visiting professor in the 1960s and assisted with the investigation by the Empire of Nippon into what destroyed Hiroshima. He went into Hiroshima the afternoon of 7 August 1945. They had Geiger counters. They measured alarming levels of radiation near the centre of the blast.
My dad worked at Los Alamos in the early 1970s, probably on the theoretical aspects of the neutron bomb. I spent a boring month there one Summer. I also concentrated in astrophysics at Columbia. Saw some nuclear reactors from the inside.
It's a sad part of our reality that the really safe tech for nuclear energy from thorium is not developed because it doesn't produce plutonium for bombs. It's also a sad part of our reality that there are a large number of nuclear warheads and rockets to fire them across the planet.
And while we're at it, yes I have worked with large scale rockets in the space transportation industry and with men and women who worked on the Moon landings. Dozens of them. I also knew some ham radio operators who triangulated the television signals from the Apollo landers to the lunar surface.
Y'all are going to choose to believe whatever you want to believe. I was active in the anti-war group at Columbia that did the nuclear war protest "die in" in 1982 which brought the cia investigation into our work written up by Barack Obama in the Sundial magazine in 1983.
I don't really mind if you don't believe in nuclear weapons. The bombs don't care if you believe in them either. It only takes one in the wrong place to have a really bad day.
You can study the mathematics and the physics if you want. The equations are not difficult once you understand the variables and the constants. The fact that not very many people want to work at understanding is no longer surprising, though it remains disappointing.
There are a lot of dead people in Japan who were murdered by the nukes at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Many historians are aware of the fire bombings of Tokyo, Kobe, Dresden, Cologne, and other civilian targets. But you only get the long term cancer deaths with the nukes. Perhaps the suffering of generations of survivors isn't interesting?
I don't know my friend. At some point it comes off as callous and uncaring. Whatev
It 's not my intention to be uncaring. I don't think it's Crow's intention either. Certainly also not to come off as such. Actually, the opposite. It is simply to question assumptions. Assumptions that are the cause of fear of the worst kind - of the destruction of the entire world (thermonuclear winter, etc.)
2 summers ago I attended a meeting on nuclear weapons proliferation at the Catholic cathedral in Santa Fe, NM with a friend of mine who is a retired nuclear physicist and had worked most his life at Los Alamos. It is ludicrous to me how many billions of dollars have been spent on this stuff. It was certainly concerning to me at the time. I will not dismiss all of that easily. I certainly think such concerns are legitimate. But then, what if it's all make believe?
Anyway, thanks for your input. I've wondered about the cancer patients around Nagasaki and Hiroshima, too. I'll keep your thoughts in mind.
It does come off as uncaring. You might want to learn the physics and mathematics involved. Maybe your retired friend can teach you the basics. Or maybe Mme Curie died in vain, idk
I've looked directly into the Cherenkov radiation of a swimming pool nuclear reactor. It's not make believe. But you might not have the courage to face the truth. The truth is that there are dead people in Utah from above ground nuclear tests in Nevada in the 1950s. And there are tens of thousands of men who were close enough to nuclear test explosions to be suffering excess deaths from cancer since then.
Maybe ask a few of them what they saw.
Thanks again for your input! I have been concerned about nuclear radiation most of my life. As I said, I hadn't come to any conclusions. Please refrain from assuming that I do not want to face the truth when you know little about me.
https://open.substack.com/pub/davidrovics/p/concert-for-palestine
The Cuban Missile Crisis would be a wild event if this was true. Two superpowers playing chicken over pieces of technology they both know they don't have/don't exist.
Viruses exist. I've seen them in something called a microscope. Nuclear weapons also most definitely exist. Shit, man, read John Hersey's Hiroshima. Nukes are as real and as deadly as it gets.
Gods, I hope you're not going down some existentialist or Buddhist rabbit hole, convincing yourself that you can't know whether or not anything's real or illusion, always leading to the conclusion that nothing really matters.
What kind of microscope?
Electron.
Would you be willing to tell us more specifically what you saw and how you determined it was a "virus"?
Are you able to take up Dr. Qureshi's challenge?
https://totheroot.substack.com/p/was-dr-qureshi-reading-my-mind-or
Probably not. I'm no virologist. I'm a historian, which means no one can tell me that smallpox does not exist. Or(warning: sarcasm may be present) maybe it's easier for me to believe that diseases wiped out 90% of the native population before the first Englishman set foot at the site of Jamestown than it is to believe they died of some secret Roman Catholic or Illuminati conspiracy or something.
Or that my cousin was crippled by polio, living only because he made it to an iron lung, and not struck down by the capriciousness of some deity.
Dr. Qureshi is way into extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence country here, and I didn't see a speck of that in the article.
Dear friend, thanks for your thoughts. No one is questioning whether diseases such as smallpox and polio exist(ed). What is being questioned is whether viruses exist and are the causes of such diseases. Iron lungs have been replaced by more modern devices called respirators. Polio didn't disappear as suggested, though it did decline in the United States when DDT and BHC went out of favor and began to be exported to third world countries.
My article on Dr Qureshi is not in depth. it came after 3 years of intense research.
I've discussed polio in 2 previous articles. For more in depth information, follow the links in my articles to Jim West's work or the scientific medical works of Drs. Raph Scobey and Morton S. Biskind:
https://open.substack.com/pub/totheroot/p/toxicological-flu-cyanide-and-covid
https://cryfortheearth.mystrikingly.com/blog/pandemics-and-the-abuse-of-power-a-timeline-1853-2020